what is the roadmap for PSL now that powerschool is buying Schoology?

hernick
Achiever

what is the roadmap for PSL now that powerschool is buying Schoology?

My subject title pretty much sums it up - Are there any plans for future develpment for PS Learning (Haiku) now that Schoology is being purchased by PowerSchool? How much longer will PSL be offered?

Thanks!

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DMFermiPhysics
Practitioner

@jhanlon 

 

There may indeed be many mixed messages at this point - but one telling item is that when you go to www.schoology.com website and click "About", it brings you directly to the PowerSchool "About" page. 

 

Hopefully their messaging will be consistent with a communicatable roadmap and timeline by Q1 of next year.  I just hope that the integratino occurs prior to the 2020-2021 school year...

DanM3
PowerSchool Champion
PowerSchool Champion

Thank you to Matt Freund who pointed this out on PSUG.  I'm not sure when they added this to the PowerSchool Schoology FAQ but here it is:

 

Q: Is Schoology LMS replacing PowerSchool Learning?  
PowerSchool is committed to investing in development and innovation across all our products. In this case, we plan to integrate and combine the best features and benefits of the PowerSchool Unified Classroom™ solution, including PowerSchool Learning, with Schoology’s LMS, providing a best-in-class solution for customers.  When they are ready to do so, customers will be provided a no-cost upgrade path to the combined solution.  

Dan Morgan
Saint Mary's College High School - Berkeley, CA
PowerSchool Hosted - v 20.4.3 - 600 Students
PowerSchool User and Admin since 2000

hernick
Achiever

Good find re: the updated FAQ!

« No cost upgrade » suggests that PSL is on its way out - it’ll be good to have confirmation of timeline & sunsetting dates so we can plan potential transition.
Steve_NSW
Hobbyist

We run a fully online 'school' based in the UK, serving families and small schools in over 20 countries. We are one of the old Haiku Learning brigade. 

 

To say that PowerSchool have handled this whole Schoology/PSL situation badly is a huge understatement. In my opinion, they have shown enormous disrespect to their existing clients and continue to do so. I fully understand the needs for corporate control of the narrative but it is now clear the PowerSchool Learning is going to effectively be replaced by Schoology.  

 

Why therefore can they now come out and clearly state this?

 

And, perhaps more importantly, why can't they provide clear signposting in terms of the sunsetting of PowerSchool Learning? For reasons that are specific to the UK curriculum, (our coures for 14-16 year olds run over two academic years) we need to know if PowerSchool Learning is being replaced by Schoology in September 2021. Our September 2020 courses run until June 2022. This should be a pretty easy question to answer, but it seems not!   Being told that we will be contacted in later 2020 to plan our transition is simply not good enough.

 

Is their plan that all of the old Haiku Learning users should simply head to a different platform and therefore solve their difficulties for them? It is certainly beginning to feel that way!

MDeFore
Specialist

Finally got our teachers halfway using the lms well and now we are changing again? 

 

I'm assuming we will recieve free remote training for the new system?

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nicoletawlks
Hobbyist

It has been helpful to read through all of these posts. Did anyone attend the PSU session this morning? It was called Schoology 101. I completely forgot to request it in time, so I will only be taking the 201 session tomorrow. I was just wondering if any light was shed on this topic in the session today.

DanM3
PowerSchool Champion
PowerSchool Champion

@nicoletawlks It doesn't look like any of the Schoology sessions looks ahead at what is the future of the product and if it will be further integrated within PowerSchool and/or the Unified Classroom.

Dan Morgan
Saint Mary's College High School - Berkeley, CA
PowerSchool Hosted - v 20.4.3 - 600 Students
PowerSchool User and Admin since 2000

nicoletawlks
Hobbyist

Alright guys! Here is the final answer. Took some digging, but finally got it confirmed from a person named Julie that is part of the "migration team". I am more than happy to forward the email to anyone.

 

Schoology is basically a replacemet for Unified Classroom. Not an integration. PowerSchool will still have and include Unified Classroom/Learning Pages, but they WILL NOT work on any more improvements. The upgrade is "free" for the first year, meaning you do not have to pay extra. But after that, you do need to pay for Schoology. For our school, it is actually about the same price-range. We are going to look into it for the 2021-2022 school year (after they work out the kinks, hopefully).

 

My opinion: It was easier and cheaper to buy schoology, than fix all the problems they were facing with UC and class pages.

 

Frustrating news, knowing our students, staff, and families will have to learn an entire new LMS after killing ourselves last year to get everyone set up and familiar. But it is what it is.

jhanlon
Professional

Thanks for that info.  The less powerschool does with Schoology (integrating with UC) the better.

 

All the kinks are in Unified Classroom.  We rushed through the Schoology PowerSchool SIS integration in the winter.  Best thing we ever did. Our district is about 7k students K12.  Although there was frustration learning a new LMS the ease of use with Schoology was welcomed by our staff and the integration to the PTP gradebook was much better then anything we did with class pages.  Schoology was so easy to use and many teachers used it during our remote learning.  Pulling courses out of Learning is a pain but its easier (other then assessments to just recreate)  

gclinton
Journeyman

@jhanlon Thanks for all your messages here -- all my experiences at two different UC schools echo precisely your experiences, unfortunately. A truly strange situation, if you ask me. Anyway, I was wondering if you could elaborate on your experience of jumping into Schoology without waiting for "integration". What steps did you take (broadly)? Did you get support from PS on this transition? Any details you have to share would be appreciated.

chamada
Hobbyist

@jhanlon Can you talk a little more about the integration of Schoology and PTP? Is standards-based grading (SBGRdata pushed from Schoology rubrics to PTP? Or is this only for traditional, points-based assessments? I can't seem to find any info on any LMS that can push SBGR data into PTP.

 

Clint

Reshma
Community Support Expert
Community Support Expert

Hi @chamada,

 

If your school is using the PowerSchool provisioning app to provision users, courses, and enrollments into Schoology, you can use the PowerSchool grade passback app in your Schoology courses to sync grades to your PowerTeacher Gradebook.

 

Here is the documentation on the PowerSchool provisioning app for more details: PowerSchool provisioning app 



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chamada
Hobbyist

Thanks Reshma! I appreciate the link; I hadn't read that before. 

 

Based on that, it is safe to say that the Schoology to PTP Grade Pass Back does not include learning objective data from the Schoology standards based grade book:

 

If a graded item or grade has not yet appeared in the PowerSchool Gradebook, you can navigate to this area of the app and click on the Sync icon or on Sync Changes to manually re-send the information to PowerSchool. The following information will be sent to PowerSchool:

  • The name of the graded item.
  • The max number of points for the graded item.
  • The due date for the graded item.
  • The grading category established by the System Admin, or by the teacher in the Configuration area of the app.
  • The raw score a student received on the graded item.
jhanlon
Professional

Yes Standards based grading does not push over.  I would also still consider the mastery learning in Schoology in Development but it is much better than other LMS

FebaJacob
Achiever

Hi @jhanlon ,

 

 

It is really helpful to hear from you as your school has already implemented it. So, are you still using UC also with Schoology? Or only schoology? Was it a migration or upgradation?

 

 

Our school is using only PS Learning,don't know how the upgradation lprocess will be.

 

Thanks.

jhanlon
Professional

We are using both.  In hindsight we should have forced everyone to only use Schoology and sync the gradebooks to PTP.  Most teachers do this but some don't.  Parents still need to go into UC to get to the SIS to access forms and other data.  It creates a little confusion but no where near the confusion the horrible unified classroom with PS learning created.  

chamada
Hobbyist

Coming to this late...

 

We looked at UC 18 months back, prior to the purchase of Schoology. Now trying to get an idea of where they are headed. Any chance you are still able to share a copy of that email?

 

Cheers,

Clint

 

 

MDeFore
Specialist

I'm assuming PS will provide free training? Sort of hate to be forced to switch to a new platform so soon...should have just bought schoology from the get go...but we didn't know.

nicoletawlks
Hobbyist

Free? Probably not for the training. They told us we can "upgrade to schoology for free", but that is only for the first year. After that, we have to pay for it. For our school, it was about the same cost. Not sure what it would be for other schools. 

 

Our school is looking elsewhere for the SIS and LMS and making a decision by the end of the week. We do not like how PowerSchool has a "salesman" mentality. We always feel like we are not getting the full picture until we are too far in. Which results in more money and frustrated teachers, parents, and students. 

DanM3
PowerSchool Champion
PowerSchool Champion

@nicoletawlks Unless you switch to Google Classroom or break out an old Moodle server, you will have to pay someone. Paying the same price for Schoology Learning as we do for a broken UC/PowerSchool Learning environment is fair. But I totally agree with the sales mentality. Two years ago I told our customer satisfaction representative that I never want PowerSchool sales to contact me again. If we want any of their other "solutions" I will contact them! Three years later our purchase of the Unified Classroom and Class Pages (aka PowerSchool Learning) still haunts me.

 

@MDeFore I agree about the free training. We were forced to pay for training as part of our purchase of the UC. PowerSchool is the own who is basically shutting down the service with the purchase and push for everyone to onboard with Schoology Learning.

 

Dan Morgan
Saint Mary's College High School - Berkeley, CA
PowerSchool Hosted - v 20.4.3 - 600 Students
PowerSchool User and Admin since 2000