what is the roadmap for PSL now that powerschool is buying Schoology?

hernick
Achiever

what is the roadmap for PSL now that powerschool is buying Schoology?

My subject title pretty much sums it up - Are there any plans for future develpment for PS Learning (Haiku) now that Schoology is being purchased by PowerSchool? How much longer will PSL be offered?

Thanks!

87 Replies
FebaJacob
Achiever

Hi @nicoletawlks 

 

 

Does that mean after 1 year of free upgradation powerschool will be fully schoology - no more unified classroom and learning?

 

Thanks.

jhanlon
Professional

The Unified Classroom has set up nothing but a mess of confusion and irrelevance.  We are trying to figure out how to move away from it.  @DanM3 mentioned about turning it off in the SIS.  Our biggest issue is all the parent accounts and the random SIS username it generates for them that they would need to sign in.  As a Schoology customer UC is basically nothing except an extra layer to get to the SIS.  I would much prefer to have schoology username serve that purpose.  It this point for us it is what it is.

gclinton
Journeyman

All of this is so familiar and a little depressing. But if we're looking ahead and trying to dig out from under this, help me understand a good way forward.

 

We currently have:

PS SIS

PS UC/Class Pages and PTP

 

We want a better way to communicate, a better way to deliver content, a better LMS, a better interface for teachers/students/parents. Schoology seems to address a number of these needs. The problem is, we are also a fully standards-based assessment and reporting school. K-12, all SBAR. UC and PTP already doesn't really meet our needs in this regard -- previous IT directors have done whatever hacking was required to make it "work" -- and I see that Schoology has its own standards-based solution. But it doesn't sync to PTP.

 

The demo representative claimed Schoology syncing standards to PTP would be ready by 2021. Is anyone else hearing this?

 

My main question to the forum would be: Is there a major downside to shifting from UC/Class Pages to Schoology, all else remaining the same, knowing that we are an SBAR school? If the costs remain the same, minus the cost of consulting and training, are there functionality costs? Or only gains? Because we can't extensively test the system, it's very difficult to gather the information required to make a good decision. Anyone who's actually done this, your thoughts or assurance that I'm at least on the right track would be very valuable. Thanks!

jhanlon
Professional

As a backbone to implement a digital learning environment the two don't compare.  We are looking to move to the Schoology mastery (they actually have two right now) but there are little quirks here and there still.   I would recommend doing everything in Schoology then at the end of the term have the teachers enter a grade if using SBG.  I don't trust anything I hear from PowerSchool when it comes to timelines and they will sell you your vision.  They told us during the sales process they were building a lesson and curriculum planner that was integrated into UC.  Even asked for feedback saying it was in development.  We never saw it.

 

We just have the two platforms run side by side.  The students use their Office 365 credentials to get into both.  Parents we had create schoology accounts.  It was ironic that PowerSchool was one of the few SIS's that didn't sync the parent student associations. 

chamada
Hobbyist

I have a demo scheduled for tomorrow with our sales rep and a “solutions engineer” and the question about syncing mastery data from Schoology to PTP is question #1 on my list. I’ll let you know if I hear anything different about the timeline.
chamada
Hobbyist

According to the person I spoke with today, there will be a full-fledged passback of standards data from the Schoology mastery grade book to PowerTeacher Pro in the April "Back to School" release. It was also stated that there will be live sharing (if that's the right term) of standards from PowerSchool to Schoology at about the same time. After that, they plan to do something similar for attendance though no timeline was provided.

nicoletawlks
Hobbyist

@gclinton 

We are in a similar boat with you. We actually had a FACTS SIS demo yesterday, and were very impressed. The idea of changing our SIS is daunting, but worth it if it solves most of our problems with PowersSchool. As for the LMS, we are looking towards Canvas, Google Classroom, and others.

 

I hope you are able to get what you need!

nicoletawlks
Hobbyist

Yes, that is what it will be. UC, as we know it, will simply be Schoology. At the last PSU trainings.. they did not even talk about UC/Learning that we are currently using. Only rereferred to it as "Unified Classroom: Schoology".

jhanlon
Professional

We have never had any issues beyond the normal with the PowerSchool SIS.  I would not move SIS unless something is broken.  Schoology is a very good LMS and I don't think you will find much better.  (Canvas is more geared towards higher ed but still very good)

 

It was the whole unified classroom debacle has created mass amounts of confusion amongst our staff students and community.  Right now parents and student log into unified classroom it is nothing and they have another Schoology account  I am hoping Schoology gets an SSO to the PS SIS portal

MDeFore
Specialist

I don't know how you can pull a product out from someone that the users have finally become comfortable with, especially during  this covid and online learning mess every one is dealing with...and then say "hey teachers....we know you have so much on your plate...lets make you go to a new lms in the middle of it all"...and cram some kind of training that you have to pay for when it wasn't your choice during what little time you have off during the summer after such a crazy year....not real happy with this....

nicoletawlks
Hobbyist

@MDeFore 

 

While they are not "forcing you" to do it, they sure are making it a difficult choice to NOT switch over. But really, if your school is okay with using UC/Learning for the next year or two, I don't see why you can't keep using it. At least, until they do make it the only choice. Which I would not put it past them.

DanM3
PowerSchool Champion
PowerSchool Champion

@nicoletawlks No they are not "forcing" us, but with major issues like not being able to upload Google Drive files to Class Pages/PowerSchool Learning for three days not, it's not really a viable option to continue with a DOA program.

 

Identified - We have identified an issue where users are unable to submit assginments (sic) using Google Drive. We are currently investigating this issue and will update this page accordingly.

 

 

Dan Morgan
Saint Mary's College High School - Berkeley, CA
PowerSchool Hosted - v 20.4.3 - 600 Students
PowerSchool User and Admin since 2000

MDeFore
Specialist

How is that not forcing  us? If they wont fix what is broken and they no longer will support it, even the issue with rosters not updating after schedule changes (which I can deal with, the GD thing I cant)...we have no other choice but to move.

gclinton
Journeyman

This is best internet forum I currently subscribe to, just because of this thread. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one bugging out about the Unified Classroom debacle.

 

To @MDeFore 's point: While they are letting current customers stay with the product without killing it, it's no longer being improved. It is what it is. I would have appreciated a more decisive approach, but I can think of a lot of reasons they wouldn't do this. Some school districts are huge and making a switch like that probably involves a lot of legal maneuvering. UC is a product being purchased by governments -- I know they sell this to, like, the government of Saudi Arabia or Thailand or whatever. Switching an entire national school system probably takes some time.

 

My situation is more nimble -- we're a relatively small school, usually around 900 students, currently a bit lower a la Covid. So if we switched it wouldn't be impossible. But it's still very difficult -- it's a ton of work for everyone, teachers, admin, parents. For early adopters of what we know now is a failed experiment (UC) I would have appreciated free Schoology training, free tech support on the switch (I've been told we would be charged for these services), and strong signals that things like mastery grade transfer between Schoology and SIS are top priorities. Strong signals. Like others on this thread, I have stopped trusting what PowerSchool says about development timelines. (I hope a PS rep is reading this entire discussion. Trust is the most fundamental emotion a company should want from its customers, seems to me.)

 

I'm probably going to push to shift to Schoology for next year. While change is always difficult, changing to something better is worth the effort.

FebaJacob
Achiever

Hi there,

 

As mentioned the sync between PS SIS and Learning is the biggest headache for us. Will schoology solves the issue? Any insights?

 

 

Thanks,

Feba

Reshma
Community Support Expert
Community Support Expert

Hi @FebaJacob,

 

Standards Grade Passback is on Schoology's public roadmap which can be viewed here.  PowerTeacher Pro and Schoology Product teams are actively researching how to make the existing integration even better.



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PowerSchool Community Support Expert

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jbidk
Community Manager
Community Manager

Thank you, all, for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with us. We understand that there have been some challenges along our shared journey, and we would like to reassure you that PowerSchool remains committed to partnering and supporting you.

 

Back in June 2020, our Chief Product Officer, Marcy Daniel, first addressed some of these questions about the future of PowerSchool Learning and Unified Classroom Learning. As Marcy highlighted, we are committed to offering our PowerSchool Learning and Unified Classroom Learning customers a no charge upgrade to Schoology if desired.

 

What does this mean:

  • Free content migration handled via a proprietary bulk migration tool that will have teachers logging in to Schoology on day one to find all their PowerSchool Learning course content waiting for them
  • Free implementation service including SIS Integration services dependent on your current SIS
  • Free professional development to ensure that your staff get the training they need to get the absolute most out of Schoology Learning

 

In addition, we will honor your current PowerSchool learning or UC Learning subscription pricing for three years. We will be focusing our LMS investment in Schoology Learning. We made this decision because Schoology is built with the latest technology and offers a robust suite of LMS tools including:

 

  • The ability to Individually assign content blocks means better personalization of instruction
  • A Mastery Standards-Based grading solution that tracks real-time progress towards the mastery of skills
  • Robust analytics that help you understand student use of the LMS including time spent in the application and on content
  • Improved search capabilities in shared content Clearer differentiation between "Classes" and "Groups" (PLCs, etc.)
  • A new Elementary Experience and Customizable Pages coming for back-to-school 2021
  • API based Integration with 10 SIS partners, and file-based integration with several more

 

If you would like more information, please register here for our upcoming webinar on “The Benefits of Upgrading to Schoology Learning” - which happens live on December 16th at 4pm EST/1pm PST and will be available for on-demand viewing shortly thereafter to all registrants.

 

We look forward to connecting with you soon!

 

 

 

JbidK
PowerSchool Community Manager
MDeFore
Specialist

We had a couple teachers actually retire, older teachers, when we did the last switch between our self hosted moodle to Learning, I wonder what will happen this time. They just didn't want to learn a new system after finally getting a grasp of the old system.

 

So if I read the above post correctly, there will be free training? Not some posted videos, there will be someone our teachers can actually talk to and ask questions in real time?

 

The biggie is content migration, they've spent the last 3 years building their master classes in learning, the next is grade push of course, and easily syncing live rosters to their classes. If that's no big deal to do, I think we will be ok.

jbidk
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi @MDeFore

 

Thank you so much for the feedback. Yes, the no-cost training will include a live trainer and will be supplemented by online resources that allow your staff to learn at their own pace. We strongly encourage you to register for the December 16th webinar, at which time we will not only cover content migration, but also roster integration, grade pass-back, and deepening integration with PowerSchool SIS.

 

I hope this is helpful!

 

 

JbidK
PowerSchool Community Manager
DanM3
PowerSchool Champion
PowerSchool Champion

@jbidk Is this webinar is exclusively for current UC and PowerSchool Learning customers?

 

Thanks.

Dan Morgan
Saint Mary's College High School - Berkeley, CA
PowerSchool Hosted - v 20.4.3 - 600 Students
PowerSchool User and Admin since 2000

jbidk
Community Manager
Community Manager

Hi @DanM3

 

Yes, it is specifically designed for current PowerSchool Learning/Unified Classroom Learning customers.

 

 

JbidK
PowerSchool Community Manager